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Great interview 👍 Savage Sword has always been my fav & it's neat to hear John say it's his too. I love his Silver Surfer, the deepest of all the superheroes. I guess not surprising that it didn't register with the US audience, whereas it did in Europe.

Steranko was NOT there when it all happened. He is not telling the truth here. He joined Marvel in the end of 1966. His first work was penciling and inking "finishes" over Kirby layouts in Strange Tales #151 (Dec. 1966). Steve Ditko left Spider Man and Marvel in spring 1966. And all the universe building in the Fantastic Four was already done by the end of 1966. So Steranko was NOT there, when all the characters were created and all the important stories of the 1960s have been written. That is not to say that Stan Lee did nothing. But it is well documented, that Ditko and Kirby were the main storytellers and inventors. Stan Lee did good work for Marvel at the advertisment front and he held the whole company together. But he delegated the invention and storytelling.

I love this interview. I was bit disappointed at the way Jim Thompson attacked him over the artists that left.

His son is an obvious apologist for this evil man, and seems to share some his ego. He doesn’t seem to Mind: The worst is when he won the “Superman drawing contest” and insisted it was not “fixed” because they were the fix. WTF? Weisenger was a mean, backstabbing bully by all employee accounts who loved humiliating and dominating people. Total a-hole. His daughter seems to share this opinion as alluded too in the interview. That’s the one I want to hear.

The way Stan Lee's role was portrayed after this contract definitely changed the narrative. It's important to give credit where credit is due

I became a fan of the Bronze Age. Novick was one of the great Batman artists

If Steve Rude was the regular penciller of a Superman title, I would subscribe.

Stan Lee was idea man but a mediocre writer. I seriously doubt he was super descriptive when coming up with a character. The artists contributed quite a lot in the creation of characters.

This is a fascinating look at a complex moment in comics history. It's important to remember the contributions of all the creators, not just Stan Lee

Dang, I always though Dick Giordano was the best inker for Neal Adams. But after reading the Adams - Palmer X-Men run, I am not so sure.

Just even more confirmation of what a FRAUD Funky Flashman was, great factual video.

Jack Kirby is the mastermind behind the entire Marvel Universe, and Steve Ditko had created his own playground with Spider-Man and Dr Strange. Stan Lee just put words in the word balloons. You can see this e.g. if you look closely at the FF run. After #67 (July 1967) there is a masive downturn in the series, because Jack Kirby decided to bring no new ideas into the series, because he felt betrayed by Stan Lee. All the issues from then on feel uninspired, no new interesting villains, only mindless android robots. That is because Jack Kirby did all the story telling before and Stan only did the words.

😞" There is no honor among thieves" Alex and sadly this what Stan has truly been. I'm not merely speaking about the creative identity he willingly pilfered from Jack and Steve once it was apparent that Marvel Comics Group was undeniably successful. Of course he was generous with sharing credit in the early days because there was no expectation of the level of success that lay ahead. Stan stole our youthful belief in the ideals he was promoting in his credited authorship , his soap box comments , his open arms camaraderie with readers. Those of us with some knowledge of comics history , films and other pop culture entertainments were tolerant of Stan's recollections of creativity in the Origins books because we knew there was something more to it and were hoping pieces would fall into place. Stan was Marvel by right of nepotism and in his best Citizen Kane impression he would forget his humble oath of loyalty and purpose he envisioned Jack and Steve upholding with him once an empire came into being. It was uncomfortable to acknowledge Stan's pretentiousness in the footage you had once shown Alex with Stan attempting a discussion with college students and not one being of a minority identity , for someone who advocated for unbiased unity biased assumptions subconsciously revealed themselves. Like I said before Alex none of us were there with the trio or duo when the birth of costumed celebrity was taking form , none of us were in the conferences , at the lunch counters , on the phone , partaking of the public sights and sounds that could undoubtedly claim partial inspiration for images prosed and pictured. Witnesses can attest to the duo/trios physical presences but not to their verbal exchanges unless their are printed documents or audio recordings preserving them. Knowingly , willingly , unremorsefully committing contradiction to honorable actions encouraged is disappointing to say the least thereby souring continued comfort with publications that invoked an almost religious fervor in one to emulate the entities who reflected the higher standards. A theft was committed and condoned and now some condemn its existence encountering resistance. An empire's past glory erodes when its foundation is excavated and reveals contemptible premeditated motives.

Brian is one of the best of the best ❤❤❤❤

Now this is journalism!!❤

And before the ink was dry “Stan Lee Presents…” appeared on every books’ first page.

One thing I can say is that Ditko, Kirby and many others added a whole lot to Marvel, but Stan is did a lot more then Ditko & Kirby perceived especially in the editing side of the dialogue and writing for the comics. A known fact is how he would often change or write his own ideas into the illustrations that Ditko & Kirby and others made so he was very creative on the writing end especially since their visuals certainly helped. Along with that he would often give either vague or grand concepts which Ditko , Kirby or others would often build off of with their side of making issues. It was always a team effort, now if you ask me who did the least work I would say Stan compared to everyone else despite all he added he couldn’t really contribute the biggest amount on his own either having to work with others or put in his ideas during the editing process. One thing I can give him was that in his earlier days he gave them a lot of credit and even admitted they added more then him in a lot of issues with building off his ideas or them bringing him stuff and him doing the editing after. Their collision started when Kirby didn’t like how he was being payed. He took it out at the closest authority to him Stan, and left for DC and other parts of the comic industry. Ditko left over a disagreement he had with Lee on Green Goblin’s identity. Lee wanting it to be Norman Osborn, and Ditko disagreeing. Lee was then told to cut out credit of Kirby and others that left when it came to iconic characters that were made when going over their inception by his bosses probably for good Public Relationsions/PR. The reality is Ditko added a lot to Spider-man in concept and form. Stan added a lot through writing dialogue, story, and personalities during his editing process as well as sharing his ideas at times with Ditko , Kirby and others during the work on these early runs. So I would disagree , Spiderman was a co creation from many people including Stan. And that goes for most of these iconic characters. Some added more to them then others but everyone contributed. Stan Lee didn’t just say Spiderman he added a lot to the comics in the editing room. Though these creators that were given the shaft do deserve more credit, and when push comes to shove I do agree that Ditko’s estate deserves the rights to Spiderman & Dr.Strange. Hopefully their can be a situation where they allow Marvel to still use these characters under a partnership that would also benefit them a lot of money and they can play big roles in the creative process owning the rights so that we can get amazing writing for both in film, comics, shows and games.

One thing I can say is that Ditko, Kirby and many others added a whole lot to Marvel, but Stan is did a lot more then Ditko & Kirby perceived especially in the editing side of the dialogue and writing for the comics. A known fact is how he would often change or write his own ideas into the illustrations that Ditko & Kirby and others made so he was very creative on the writing end especially since their visuals certainly helped. Along with that he would often give either vague or grand concepts which Ditko , Kirby or others would often build off of with their side of making issues. It was always a team effort, now if you ask me who did the least work I would say Stan compared to everyone else despite all he added he couldn’t really contribute the biggest amount on his own either having to work with others or put in his ideas during the editing process. One thing I can give him was that in his earlier days he gave them a lot of credit and even admitted they added more then him in a lot of issues with building off his ideas or them bringing him stuff and him doing the editing after. Their collision started when Kirby didn’t like how he was being payed. He took it out at the closest authority to him Stan, and left for DC and other parts of the comic industry. Ditko left over a disagreement he had with Lee on Green Goblin’s identity. Lee wanting it to be Norman Osborn, and Ditko disagreeing. Lee was then told to cut out credit of Kirby and others that left when it came to iconic characters that were made when going over their inception by his bosses probably for good Public Relationsions/PR. The reality is Ditko added a lot to Spider-man in concept and form. Stan added a lot through writing dialogue, story, and personalities during his editing process as well as sharing his ideas at times with Ditko , Kirby and others during the work on these early runs. So I would disagree , Spiderman was a co creation from many people including Stan. And that goes for most of these iconic characters. Some added more to them then others but everyone contributed. Stan Lee didn’t just say Spiderman he added a lot to the comics in the editing room. Though these creators that were given the shaft do deserve more credit, and when push comes to shove I do agree that Ditko’s estate deserves the rights to Spiderman & Dr.Strange. Hopefully their can be a situation where they allow Marvel to still use these characters under a partnership that would also benefit them a lot of money and they can play big roles in the creative process owning the rights so that we can get amazing writing for both in film, comics, shows and games.

Look I know people will probably use this video To continue The Anti-Lee Narrative that he had no creativity and didn’t contributing anything to the characters or their stories which is one of the worst lies in Comic Book Culture History but actual research of how things went down in the bullpen along with eye witnesses shows it was a creative collaborative effort between all parties involved and let’s be honest those who believe Jack , Steve & the other did everything themselves creatively with these stories & characters, those claims/beliefs don’t add up when it comes to consistency. Jack, Steve , Stan and everyone else involved have very questionable stories of how everything went down. None of them are consistent and make statements that are clearly driven by feelings Iger objective truth. Added the fact that all for them were older men when making these statements with selective memory or bitter resentment. Many eye witnesses claim they all worked together like a team so I’m willing to by the observations of outside parties who observed them during their creative processes then Stan, Jack , Steve and anyone else with an Axe to grind especially when it came to cash.

Stan Lee was the mastermind of 60s Marvel the same way George Lucas was the mastermind of Star Wars. Neither came up with every idea, but.... they had the final say of what got included and what didn't. So everything had to have his "yes" or it didn't happen...making the end result his vision in retrospect. And Stan, same as Lucas, was THE person responsible for the success or failure of each title. Kirby and Ditko got paid either way, and were given more work either way, if it was a hit like FF and Spidey or a flop like the Hulk (original series). So while Stan does not deserve sole credit, he had a bigger stake than anyone else. It was HIS "yeses" that built the Marvel Universe. I think he deserves credit for that if it's worded that way.

Pretty sure due to this contract Stan Lee had his own name given to Marvel under copyright. It could explain why Stan had to fight Marvel later to create his own companies legally and wasn’t getting the majority of the Finnancial revenue he brought to the company.

Exactly it was a team effort between Stan Lee, Jack Kirby & Steve Ditko and yes Stan was hard writer always turning in work ten times over. Stan Lee had a creative collaborative system when it came to classic Marvel so of course idiots will argue that everyone else gave Stan ideas and he just took credit which is complete Bs. Jack & Steve didn’t even know what dialogue & script captions Stan wrote when they turned in their illustrations and notes half the time. Not forgetting all the endless back and fourth phone calls between Stan and then discussing the stories they’ll do in the comics and the story conferences they all had which Jack for some reason started denying later in his life despite eye witnesses at the time. Jim Steranko was right about Bob Kane & Stan Lee, Bob is a rip off artist and Stan is a true artistic visionary.

I always figured as much. Interesting video.

Incredible expose Alex! Confirms what a lot of us suspected.

Great interview, guys! I started reading Nexus in May1983 and I’m really enjoying The Coming of Gormando and The Battle for Thune World! I met Mike &Steve back in October of 1994 and Steve in my hometown,Buffalo in 2015, Steve’s admiration for Jack Kirby has always stood out to me and we chatted about Jack and Steve doesn’t mince words either! Lol! Just glad to have some new Nexus stories to read again! For Xmas I picked up the HUGE Nexus art book of the Coming of Gormando! Absolutely beautiful book and just glad to see that Steve is really enjoying doing Nexus after 44+ years and I gotta give a shout out to Glenn Whitmore and his awesome colors! Still reading anything Mike Baron writes and I am supporting his Nexus stories and of course the Badger!❤️Thanks for the great interview!😎👍🎯⚡️👋

Of course Stan did something--he was the great promoter and showman for Marvel Comics. it's just that his *creative* input was limited, that's all.

Thanks for posting this. She deserves a lot more credit than she gets. Very interesting points throughout. I haven't heard from anything else on the resentment she felt for the code wiping out the livelihood of vets. Very interesting on how she got her break and her thoughts on Stan who the revisionists are constantly trying to make seem like he had nothing to do with Marvel's success.

🤔 The eternal debate that will be a part of comics history. Alex , you have done most of our homework for us in understanding Marvel's Silver Age Rebirth , your interviews with Ditko's family and friends filled in pieces of the bigger picture. None of us including Steranko were present during the creative process that became the Marvel Age of Comics ; Stan and Jack have aired their recollections , Steve kept his involvement private. What do we know? Stan was a writer , yes he was , but without assisted inspiration? Doubtful. Yes , he was tutored by Martin Goodman on how to follow trends and perhaps on how to expand on writing ideas that have been explored. Jack and Steve during conversations with Stan may have mentioned other writers they worked with and what some of their story line ideas were considered but maybe not scripted. In The Origin of Marvel Comics we are told that the idea for Daredevil was based on a slang term for someone brave yet it is quite evident that the character was a reworking of the once very popular Lev Gleason / Charles Biro hero. The Hulk did have a Frankenstein Monster --Jekyll / Hyde similarity but as any Universal Monster fan of which Stan-Jack and even-Steve could claim to be would identify the early Banner / Hulk persona as being more akin to Lon Chaney Jr's tormented Larry Talbot Wolfman split personality. The transformation at night , the unknowing activities taken by the aggressive nature after the return to normalcy occurs. These are ideas that a writer would further expand upon with a tormented character. Okay but what does this have to do with Stan being a writer? When Stan revived the Timely Trio ( Cap, Namor, Torch) in the 1950s only Namor proved interesting but that was Bill Everett's work. The Atlas Giant Monster period is now appreciated but in real time it was nothing phenomenal despite Stan-Jack-Steve being at the helm. The 1960s - a new decade with a new direction for America helps shape the super hero niche the Marvel trio will excel at. The times are a pivotal key to this success. New York with its bustling cultural offerings : Theatre , Films , Coffeehouses , Greenwich Village , etc. Stan would have undoubtedly partaking of these entertainments ( as would have Jack-Steve) , enriching their creative interests with the then current ideas , speculations , observations overheard in diners and other public venues. The coffeehouses not only providing poetry readings that reflect youthful enthusiasm and expectations but also provide the Folk Music scene that has become a popular genre with college students ; songs about struggles , protest and other social themes is also heard on radio , seen on TV , written about in magazines. A youthful movement that helps shape and inform subject matter for a comic book publishing group. A writer is not alone in the creative process , the writer has contemporary conditions , conversations personal and overheard , observations witnessed and other sources of interest that produce their offerings- for - consideration. None of us were there at the birth and infancy of creativity that involved S-J-S but with their previous experiences and their Kennedy Era exposures collective discussed or artistically demonstrated the team work was team work.

Although I agree Kirby deserved far more money and credit than he got, the truth is that Kirby's solo work is filled with deus ex machinas and easy resolutions (Mother Box; Mister Miracle's suit; Demon's magic; Omac literally gets ANYTHING he needs from Brother Eye); glaring plot contrivances all over the place (powers and abilities that vary as needed).

Jack Kirby went to DC and created The 4th World. What did Stan Lee create during that same time period? When did Stan Lee ever have the credits of a comic book: 'Created, edited, written and drawn by' like Kirby did at DC?

year two batman??? clayface

I love Jim Steranko. Thanks for posting.

I rarely believe much that emanates from Steranko's mouth, but this is one case where he's on the correct side. I'll never understand why the Kirby and Ditko obsessives feel that the only way to lionize their heroes is by demonizing Stan (and even Vinnie Colletta). Stan made both Kirby and Ditko infinitely more famous and successful than they ever would have been without him. As for Stan "never writing a word", as a bitter Kirby once told Gary Groth (who absurdly chose not to challenge that assertion), let's just turn to Denny O'Neil: O'Neil told the story of how Marvel bull-penners would take the night off during the many blackouts that plagued NYC in the 70's. After all, you couldn't write in the dark. But the next day O'Neil came into the offices to see staffers scraping dried wax off of original art. Stan had dialogued several pages by candlelight, while everyone else was taking the night off. End of debate! *mic drop*

Steranko's faux gangster act is truly pathetic. People criticise Stan Lee because he said he wrote stories and created worlds of characters when he clearly didn't have a fraction of the talent and creativity required to do so (look at the dire lack of creativity and originality in any work he did after Kirby left). Stan also knowingly stole all of the writer's pay from the artists who suplied him with 22 pages of fully plotted story every issue. That is not the action of a good guy and people who overlook his actions and the facts of history just to maintain the rosy glow of nostalgia for their childhood hobby are an ongoing embarrassment to this artform. Nobody says Stan wasn't vital in promoting Marvel (although he did an awful job when he went to LA in the 70s), but the man relied almost totally on the talent of others for the the creative things that he is most often credited with and lied under oath in a court room to deny Kirby any ownership of the characters that were so obvious his creations.

I am proud to own an original page of the FF 133 issue she drew. I loved her work on Metamorpho, a great campy DC series from the 60s. It's interesting how she said it's hard to draw. Sal Buscema said the same thing.

Absolutely agree! Stan's involvement was influential! Despite what some idiots trying to convolute the industry in order to conflagrate their position to gain a foothold on further discussions. And coming from Jim should be taken as literally as the dispute about hulk 181 as the first appearance of wolverine. When 182- 183 are also indisputablly appearances of the origin of the character. 😂❤

Stan Lee was the idea man who also knew how to gather the right artists who could run with the ball that he threw to them.

While I strongly wish that Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko received the credit for the heavy lifting that made Marvel the giant it is today I must admit that with Stan Lee out of the equation there would not be a Fantastic Four, X-Men, Avengers, Spiderman, etc. And there definitely would not have been the Marvel Age of Comics or the explosion of creativity in the Silver Age and beyond. It would have been more DC imaginary Superman and space age Batman stories, which quite possibly, would have affected the hobby we love today. Kirby and Ditko were incredibly creative dynamos before and after their collaborations with Stan Lee but neither man can say that without Stan Lee their creative explosions in the Silver Age would have been so historic and culturally as important. All three and a few others created what we enjoy today and Disney continues reaping financially. I'm glad Stan Lee existed. Give him the credit he deserves. Give Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko the credit they so richly deserve as well.

I want Jim Steranko in a room with Alan Moore ( one of those Stan Lee critics). For some reason, Moore is never called out on his exaggerations, favoritism, misunderstanding, and lies. I also never took to the anti-Lee movement. Sure, he probably got too much credit for certain characters. But that stems from magazine journalists glossing over the Marvel Method in the 60s. We can't deny that Lee carried on with the likes of Romita and Bescema.

Could it be more nuanced than Lee did nothing? Can it be that Stan Lee did less than he took credit for? It doesn't have to be Stan is evil vs Stan is a saint.

He contributed a lot, I just don't think he was in any way the creative driver in terms of art, design, overarching storyline, or aesthetics. Certainly as an editor, a salesman, a guy that set the tone, & a personality.. okay fine. Let's be max generous without lying.. On the creative front: Stan did come up with things like.. Slogans, catch phrases, Rough Character ideas.. Names (sometimes).. & he wrote the dialogue (after JK) & conferred with the artists. Yes it would not have happened without him.. Should we throw Uncle Marty in there as well? Idk.. it just depends on where you place value I guess.. What was a good day's work at the office & what was the Artistic creation of true idiosyncratic oddball originals. I always come back to one factoid, that a late period, aging Kirby, slowly going senile, could ramble on in great detail about the themes, storylines & characters. While Stan Lee verbatim rambled off the same 1/2 dozen boiler plate pitches he'd memorized for 40 years, clearly showing next to 0 interest in storylines or remembrance of any details beyond the most famous highlights of anything he had "written".. also after going to Hollywood Stan proceeded to "ghost" write comic books for decades. How much inoyt you think he had on Ravage 2099??? Maybe it don't matter. You decide. I'm not out to trample the legacy of a dead legend.. but there is enough documentation & evidence on record for me.. at least on the areas where I Place Value ( are we remembering 60 year old lil boy's fiction for Stan's captions?), It is by Far enough for Me to say, by my read, Who The Fuck Are You Kidding? On a stack of Nick Fury Agent of Shields: If I'm motivated by hate, or anything other than dispassionate analysis of the evidence on the table in search of the truth,.. well May lightning strike me down & Odin blow that rug off dear Mr. Steranko's dome.

Neither Kirby or Ditko achieved anywhere near the same commercial success without Stan as they did with him.

Amazing ... interview.

Rewatched this (second or third time). Still the best Ditko-related interview out here!

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Fast FLOYD with OFFICER Kneeneck in "BLM" ...haahaha

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This is nothing but anti-comic bullshit coated in anti-German rethotic's.